Gli
studi storici sull’Africa si sono
sviluppati a partire dagli anni Sessanta
in coincidenza con la prima grande ondata
di indipendenze. Tra i pionieri di questi
primi studi spiccano i nomi di Catherine
Coquery-Vidrovitch, professore emerito di
Storia dell’Africa all’Università
Denis Diderot - Parigi VII e Donald Crummey,
professore di Storia dell’Africa alla
University of Illinois, at Urbana-Champaign. Abbiamo chiesto loro di parlarci dello
sviluppo degli studi africanisti e del loro
rapporto, personale ed accademico, con l’Africa.
Let’s start from the beginning…
How would you describe your “first
encounter” with Africa?
Catherine Coquery-Vidrovitch: My
first encounter with Africa was the French
Algerian war, in 1960 (the war began in
1956). My husband was a 27 year-old graduate
student, therefore a late conscript. Because
of the war conscription was long: 28 months,
and he had to spend one year in Oran, Algeria.
At that time, I was teaching in a grammar
school. I was pregnant and I used part of
my leave to go to visit him. My eldest daughter
was born in Algeria at the beginning of
July 1960. Because the school year resumed
in October, I spent nearly 4 months in Algeria.
I was completely seduced by the country,
the people, the struggle for independence
and the beauty of the landscape. But I was
also struck by my ignorance: I was supposed
to begin a Ph.D. on Paris in the 15th century.
My supervisor had told me: «splendid
topic, but very difficult, I am not sure
that you will not need your all life to
solve the question». I was wondering
whether or not I was willing to spend my
life in 15th century Paris… My discovery
of Algeria solved the question: I thought
that it was stupid to spend my life in the
Middle Ages while, as an historian, I understood
nothing about the main problems of my own
time. Therefore I changed my mind, and I
decided to begin a Ph.D. on Algerian history.
When coming back home, I studied Arabic
for 3 years. Meanwhile, I met Henri Brunschwig,
who was looking for an assistant on Africa
South of Sahara; he had just been elected
as a director of Research at the EHESS (then
6th section of the Ecole pratique des hautes
Etudes): why not? This was also Africa,
and then it was a decision for life. I have
never regretted it.
Donald Crummey: I first
encountered Africa in 1962 as a volunteer.
I had just graduated from the University
of Toronto and was accepted as a participant
in a Long-Term Ecumenical Workcamp sponsored
by the World Council of Churches. The workcamp
was in Kenya. My interest in Africa had
been aroused by the political events of
1960, involving African independence as
well as the turmoil in Congo and the Sharpeville
Massacre in South Africa. Originally that
interest focused on West Africa and the
excitement generated by Ghana and Nkrumah,
but the chance to live and work for nine
months in Kenya proved to be a life-changing
event. I was overwhelmed by the openness
and hospitality of the Kenyans and caught
up by the excitement surrounding the independence
election of 1963. I also met some Ethiopians
during my time in Kenya and felt that Ethiopia
combined so many of the issues that really
interested me: its symbolic role in Pan-Africanism;
the relationship between history and nation
in Africa; the existence of an indigenous,
deeply-historical church.
Following these first steps, you
both have done wide archival and field research
on different aspects of African history.
How has changed during the years your methodological
approach to the history of Africa?
CCV: My very first study
was a paper asked for by Henri Brunschwig.
Years later I heard that it was in fact
to test my ability; we were three candidates
and it was his mode of selecting between
us. For one year, while teaching in the
mornings, I went every day to the colonial
Archives in Paris to write my two first
articles: they dealt with French/British
maritime competition for trading in the
kingdom of Dahome, in today Benin, towards
the end of the 19th century. Today, I think
that I was really both daring and unconscious
writing on such a topic with no fieldwork,
although, when rereading this paper today,
years later, it appears to remain rather
convincing. This paper was published in
Annales in 1964 [1], and my very first step
in Africa South of the Sahara occurred only
in 1965. That was the reason why I decided
that they would be in Benin: I wanted to
test if what I wrote was coherent with the
field realities. My destination was Gabon,
but I managed to realize several stops over
through West Africa: in Niamey, then in
Ouagadougou, and at last in Cotonou, from
where I drove to Abomey, the capital city
of the old kingdom. Having a look at the
country made me feel more comfortable. My
main fieldworks occurred in Equatorial Africa:
Gabon, Congo, Centrafrican Republic. Given
the wealth of colonial archives of all kinds,
public and private archival sources, I did
not miss sources, including oral testimonies.
Meanwhile, I unceasingly travelled across
my fields of research, not so much to proceed
on intensive oral research, but to watch,
to listen to and to be impregnated with
the country, the ideas, the African reactions,
the European attitudes, etc. Certainly,
it would have been impossible to write what
I wrote without understanding, as strongly
as I could, what I saw. I like to compare
myself with a sponge: when I am in Africa,
I absorb everything. My observation is intense
at any time, anywhere: in the streets, on
the marketplaces, discussing with colleagues,
friends, missionaries, peasants, anybody.
Sometimes, I really learnt quite original
facts. I began travelling in 1965, spending
four months in Equatorial Africa, where,
among other things, I tried to reproduce
Savorgnan de Brazza’s itinerary during
his third mission in Gabon and Congo. Then
I went to Africa every year, at least once
a year, since 1967 or 1970. I cannot say
if my methodological approach to the history
of Africa has changed or how it has changed
during the years. What I can say is that
for years I slowly acquired a broad methodological
perspective and now my understanding and
interpretations probably come more quickly.
I often instinctively understand nearly
at once the meaning of what I read or what
I observe. This obviously was not the case
in the mid 1960s! I had everything to learn.
Nowadays, I have to be unceasingly aware
that everything is in the move, nothing
is obvious forever. It is the reason why
I am convinced that you cannot be a good
historian of Africa without going often
to Africa, even if you work mainly on archival
materials, and obviously, today, without
collaborating with African scholars in Africa.
DC: In 1964, I entered
the School of Oriental and African Studies
at London University to study African History.
My dissertation, on the role of Protestant
and Catholic missionaries in the first decades
of Ethiopian contact with Europe in the
mid-19th century, was very conventionally
based on European archival sources and on
published Ethiopian texts. Following successful
defence of my dissertation in 1967, I was
employed for six years as an Assistant Professor
in the History Department at what was then
Haile Sellassie I University. This was a
profoundly formative experience. The department
had a research requirement for all students,
a BA thesis, and a typical thesis rested
on the use of Ethiopian documents, published
and unpublished, and of oral traditions.
Supervising undergraduate theses necessarily
exposed me to new methodologies and areas
of interest. I also became persuaded that
the 17th and 18th centuries were seriously
neglected by Ethiopian historiography, which
concentrated largely on the 19th and 20th
centuries, so I refocused my research interests
back in time. Untapped sources for the history
of Ethiopia in the 17th and 18th centuries
existed in extensive marginalia in manuscripts
of the British Museum (later the British
Library). These marginalia contained a great
deal of information about land and its transfer,
so, for several decades, my research was
directed to mastering this body of material,
to searching out examples in manuscripts
still held in Ethiopian churches and monasteries,
and to using oral informants to illuminate
its meaning [2].
Since the early 1990s I have also been involved
in environmental history [3]. This has involved
a shift to the 20th century. I have used
historical photographs (paired with matching
contemporary photographs) to understand
the parameters of landscape change and intensive
interviews with elderly Ethiopian men and
women who have lived in the landscapes through
the period covered by the photographs. My
earlier work on land documents was concentrated
in the area around Gondär, the Ethiopian
capital of the 17th and 18th centuries,
whereas my environmental history work has
been concentrated in Wällo province,
heavily affected by the famines of 1973
and 1984. To link these two different geographical
areas I compared landscape change in Wällo
with landscape change in Gondär.
Your academic experience in the
field of African Historical studies is characterised
by both a broad field experience and by
your contribution to the development of
such studies in your own countries, France
and the United States. Obviously, there
is a difference between the two, as France
had a colonial empire, the USA had not.
From your point of view, which are the main
peculiarities of African Studies in France
and in the US?
CCV: African studies in
France obviously focused on francophone
Africa, above all because research grants
for these areas were quasi the only ones
to be obtained in France; and also research
infrastructure for French researchers was
much developed in former French colonies.
Possibly the most important factor was the
former imperial language of communication:
French. Therefore French historians, till
very recently, focused a lot (too much to
my mind) on Francophone Africa. This focus
on francophone Africa had a specific drawback:
it discouraged for long comparisons and
comparative history. Only recently, for
the last 20 years or so, French scholars,
through the mediation of the Ministry of
Foreign Affairs, created French Institutes
of Research in Nairobi, Ibadan, Johannesburg
and, recently, Addis Ababa. Since then,
French history of Africa began to internationalize.
Is it a difference with African studies
in the US? Not so much, because, for years,
African studies in the US focused on Anglophone
Africa. Only for the last thirty years American
researchers resolutely engaged on francophone
research. I think that in the 1960s, 70s
and 80s, things did not differ so much from
the US: desegregation in the US was coeval
to decolonisation in Africa, therefore the
process of research was chronologically
similar. The difference was that in France
for a while there was a strong connection
between Africanists, most of them anticolonialist
scholars, and African scholars, even if
their viewpoints diverged. In the US, African
American scholars opposed to American Africanists,
who were all white scholars. Things have
evolved since then. From the 80s, African
studies, like other cultural area studies,
developed well in France, but at the same
time French colonial history more or less
disappeared. Therefore the difference is
obvious today: American scholarship more
or less is on the way to supersede former
quarrels (afrocentrism versus africanism,
which were raging in the 90s, being the
best example), while in France we experience
a kind of a regression with French traditional
nationalism denying a postcolonial travail
de mémoire.
DC: To be sure, the US
had no colonial presence in Africa, but
it does have a deep historical connection
with Africa through the trans-Atlantic slave
trade, which has produced one of the two
largest communities of people of African
descent outside the continent. So US attitudes,
in a deeply historical sense, have been
shared with Europe and shaped by both the
slave trade and by the institution of African
enslavement. The earliest constructive intellectual
curiosity about Africa in the US arose from
within the African diaspora and African
Americans have continued to play an important
role in trying to shape US attitudes and
policies towards Africa in a direction more
favourable towards Africa itself. This effort
confronts continuing racism in the US and
resistance from American centres of political
and economic power.
As you, Catherine Coquery-Vidrovitch
noted, African historical studies began
to develop with the independencies, in the
1960s. Since then, Africanists in Africa,
Europe and the US have followed many different
paths. What could you identify as the main
failures and main successes of the scholars
of the field since the 1960s? And what do
you think about the role of African Universities?
CCV: I should not say
that there were failures or successes. Rather,
there were various phases and steps forward.
The first step was in the 60s: the discovery
of an African history, mainly by western
historians. Beforehand, only colonial history,
and African anthropology, existed. History
became possible only with independence.
The main feature, quite normally, was a
claim for a rehabilitation of the African
past, which effectively had been ignored,
despised, or forgotten by historians, relegating
it only to anthropology. The main conquest
probably was the historical value, although
it was probably exaggerated, recognized
to oral sources, nicknamed at the time “oral
traditions”. There might be a few
distortions praising a kind of lost golden
age, but all in all, a lot of work was done,
even if it was often more factual than problematic.
The second phase, from the 1980s onwards,
was characterized by the emergence and development
of African historical schools, which since
the beginning were mostly trained by western
scholarship, such as Dar es Salaam school
or Dakar school. This gave birth to a few
abuses, like afrocentrism and “Cheikh
Anta Diopism”, but it also had the
advantage to introduce new ideas and to
open the way to the subaltern studies to
come. Meanwhile, African history became
more open to new trends, such as gender
studies, social history and cross cultural
studies. The third, contemporary, phase,
is shaped by the emergence of a cosmopolitan
African history characterized by the internationalisation
of scholarship, which is quite positive,
because it allows to connect scholars with
different approaches: Europeans, Americans,
African Americans and Africans living in
the continent as in the diasporas. No other
discipline enjoys so much international
cooperation and cosmopolitanism. This is
a very positive point. Nevertheless this
demands a sound mutual understanding, which
is yet far from being fully realized, but
which obviously is in progress. A very recent
success is that specialists from the same
discipline, such as history, although specialized
on different, mainly western, fields have
accepted the idea that African social sciences
and African realities are not made of another
stuff: the “banalization”, as
Achille Mbembe or Jean-François Bayart
would say, of African studies as world studies
is a very important and positive point,
which at last begins to be recognized in
France, possibly a little later than in
the US.
DC: The main successes
have been a truly remarkable expansion in
historical knowledge about Africa, produced
by scholars at African institutions and
at institutions in Europe and the Americas
and the creation of institutions for the
creation and transmission of historical
knowledge throughout Africa and Europe and
the Americas. In the US African history
is now taught in a wide range of institutions
throughout higher education. On the other
hand, this expansion of knowledge about
Africa has had only a modest impact on general
consciousness about Africa in North America,
where, as in Europe, some pretty primitive
attitudes towards Africa persist. Expansion
of knowledge in institutions of higher education
has not been matched by a comparable expansion
at the secondary and primary levels. Finally,
institutions in Africa, founded in the 1950s
and 1960s for producing and promoting knowledge
of the African past have had a very rough
ride since the 1970s, with the onset of
economic depression and the re-structuring,
to Africa’s disadvantage, of the institutions
of global capital. The decline of Departments
of History in Africa has been part of the
general de-institutionalization of Africa,
which began in the 1970s and which is a
function, first of all, of the global capitalist
economy and its devaluation of Africa, and,
secondly, of the failure of the political
institutions accompanying African independence
in the 1960s, which were posited on the
assumption of a continuing growth of African
economies in relationship to the global
economy.
Africanists have therefore contributed,
as you Donald said, to a truly remarkable
expansion in historical knowledge about
Africa, which is, however, generally limited
to higher education. There have been recently
some debates on how the colonial past of
Africa should be taught in the schools.
I am referring particularly to the French
law on the “historical rehabilitation”
of French colonial past. As scholars of
the field, how may you contribute to this
debate?
CCV: In France we are still
imbued with colonial history, or rather,
with colonial memory. At the same time,
however, ideas such as decolonization and
third world aid have developed and are now
part of everyone thinking. Memory has been
exploited, manipulated and the consequences
are evident today. We could define this
as a clash of memories, a clash that is
much more violent because during the last
twenty years, for reasons that are still
to be ascertained, we have assisted to an
oblivion of the French colonial past: it
has become too embarrassing. Today, this
impasse has become impossible. This phenomenon,
which someone calls in an evocative way
the fracture coloniale [4]
is completely a new one, or better, what
is new is the fact that the history of the
colonial period becomes an arm in the hands
of the historian. What is astonishing is
to see the historians lending themselves
to measure the benefits and detriments of
colonialism. Historians should not be moralists
and the colonization was not strictly good
or bad, it simply existed. The role of the
historian is to understand why, how and
which were the consequences on the society,
both colonized and colonizing. But not to
put historical facts on a balance and weigh
them!
This, however, is not a revival of what
it is called, with a pejorative hint, the
anticolonialism of the 1960s; it has nothing
to do with it. During the 1950s and 1960s
politics and science were much more separated
than today. At that time, great historians
looked after this separation: Charles-André
Julien for North Africa and Henri Brunschwig
for Black Africa. In spite of the colonial
struggles of the time, the dichotomy between
politics and historical knowledge was carefully
respected. The “anticolonialist”
intellectuals were a minority and they could
be understood only if the analysis proposed
by them were as much documented and precise
as possible. The scientific works of this
period therefore had not so much a political
bias. The historians who today dispute on
the pros and cons of colonialism are thus
an innovation, at least in its dimension.
They do not realize that they are carrying
on a store of knowledge, the best example
being the pros of the French education and
medicine, that has its roots in, for example,
their parents’ work experience abroad
during the colonial era or their own experience,
for instance working with the NGOs.
We are not all equal in a face-to-face
between history and memory. We assist today
to a instrumentalization made by politics
both of history and memory. Historians are
part of the play also as citizens; since
we are talking about present-day history
we have to consider that their emotional
sphere is involved as much as it is for
everyone else. What someone calls “the
tenacious and contestant ideological visions
of the colonization, the slave trade or
the colonial wars” is not a revival.
It is, on the contrary, the emergence of
an actual phenomenon, which has come out
from an amalgam of memories manipulated
by the encounter with politics that often
appears openly ideological. Politics is
always present, and is never exactly where
it announces itself. March Bloch [5] has
demonstrated that politics impregnates in
every epoch the relationships between individuals,
which at the same time are relationships
of meaning, interest and power, and involve
the historians as much as the others [6].
DC: We need to continue
to insist on an understanding of the colonial
era which fully incorporates the perspectives
of the African subjects of European colonialism
and which sees European colonialism as a
self-interested enterprise. We need to resist
attempts to rehabilitate the “civilizing
mission” and other ideological justifications
of colonialism and their racist implications
about Africa, its past and its potential.
Taking into consideration the role
of Africans in determining their own history
is also putting Africa in a broad context,
including its historical ties between the
different cultural areas of the world. In
your opinion, which is today the place of
African history in the context of the World
History?
CCV: The question of the
universality of history was first asked
at the International Conference of African
Studies in 2000 in Oslo. More than 80 percent
of the historians came from the West and
most of them were still convinced that Western
historians were the best, and, moreover
and worse, that World History was better
written by western historians. But eventually
discussions emerged, together with multilateralism,
especially thanks to the help of UNESCO,
strongly motivated by a small committee
of historians, who afforded a substantial
grant to let organize and sponsor a panel
gathering prominent African scholars. The
general tone at the end of the conference
had changed, at least a little. The shift
was still more obvious five years later
in Sidney. The fact that an African scholar
was part of the opening round table was
a clear sign of such shift ant it can definitely
be considered as a great ‘premiere’.
Most Western historians recognized the high
quality of the work of the African representatives
and at the same time were also fascinated
by them. This progressively has helped African
history to be recognized by other historians
as part of the global context of world history.
This is, nevertheless, obviously not yet
fully realized; especially in French universities
were, except for a few exceptions, still
few departments of history recruit historians
specialized in world history other than
European history.
DC: African
history is a fully engaged dimension to
the history of the “Old World,”
of Africa/Eurasia. Egypt was a major source
of Mediterranean and Middle Eastern civilization
and Egypt was rooted in its African environment.
Mediterranean Africa has been fully engaged
in regional history and its larger ramifications
since Egyptian times. Africa has been an
integral part of the Muslim world, since
that world emerged in the 7th century. West,
Central and East Africa and the Nile Valley
have each constituted a domain for the development
of state institutions, of complex technologies
in agriculture, textiles, and metallurgy,
and of major artistic achievement.
We can say, therefore,
that new challenges and new tasks are waiting
for the new generation of the scholars of
Africa. Which suggestions would you give
to them?
CCV: First,
to be open to world history, including western
history, as much as other historians should
be open to African history. African history,
especially in France, was till quite recently
not enough aware of the mainstream discussions
and thinking among historians of other fields.
Comparative history has not to be limited
to comparisons between varied parts of Africa,
but needs to be informed also by comparisons
with anywhere in the world. Let us take
for example urban history, or cultural history,
or any other field. This means, among other
things, that French historians must be much
aware of foreign languages and literatures.
African languages of course, but also English
literature (and Portuguese, and Dutch, and
Arabic…), because most of important
books are now written in English, and other
good ones in other languages, as well. Of
course, the reverse should be realized too:
many francophone works are of a high quality
and French scholars do not think quite the
same as their English counterparts. Nevertheless,
it may unfortunately be conceivable for
an American not to read French and nevertheless
write a correct study, but it is no longer
conceivable for a francophone scholar not
to read English, just because there are
probably ten times more English written
books than French written books. Secondly, it is important to recognize
the necessity of collaborating with international
scholars and especially for graduate students,
to collaborate with their African counterparts,
and to discuss as well with their French
(or English or American) supervisors as
with African scholars. This is also valuable
for French senior specialists, who probably
know it less than younger ones: the “repli
sur l’empire” is over. French
scholars may remain renowned scholars only
if they accept to question themselves when
listening to the others, not necessarily
to agree with them, but at least to listen
to them and to accept that viewpoints may
differ because everybody, including themselves,
receives from his or her own given culture
and therefore has to be open to other cultures.
The western world is a cultural area no
more no less than other ones. As a younger
French scholar once told me: “French
scholars no longer are “les maîtres
de la brousse” as they were in the
1960s when they were the only supervisors.
French scholars now have to prove their
legitimacy to write African history although
they are French”… This is of
course part of a joke, but has also a part
of truth.
DC: The opportunities
for original, creative research, which serves
larger societal values of racial equality
and a deeper understanding of humanity,
have never been greater. There are challenges,
to be sure, but they are worth overcoming.
To conclude, I ask
you a foreseeing opinion: how do you see
the future of Africa? Are you on the defeatist
side, which sees no hope for Africa, or
do you believe that something will change
in a positive way?
CCV: The
contrast between African and Western countries
seems to be untenable. However, we should
not be too exaggerated. It is true that
things are not good for a remarkable part
of the continent, but we should not forget
those African countries which have a system
of government and a social organization
that are fundamental to avoid the worst
things to happen: Botswana, Mali, Tanzania
and others. We do not have to forget about
Senegal, where the democratic alternation
has won for the first time, or the Côte
d’Ivoire, where several recent putsches
failed and avoided a dictatorship reprisal.
And, obviously, South Africa, for which
while the worst catastrophes had been foreseen,
nobody interrogated about the reasons why
such negative events did not actually happen.
Paradoxically, what struck about the African
continent is its vitality. A vitality which
can be seen in many aspects: demography,
culture, politics and even economics, despite
the appearances and catastrophes. Owing
to this contradictory situation it is difficult
to foresee which will be the future of Africa.
But we should not be struck by the afro-pessimism
that dominates the Western world and that
originates from ancient times. During the
slave trade, Christians were wondering if
Africans had a soul; then, during the colonial
era, Africans were described as lazy children
to be instructed on everything. And then,
after the independencies, Africa was considered
unable to go on by its own. This reveals,
as Valentin Mudimbe has pointed out, the
lessons of the “bibliothèque
coloniale” with which we all, Europeans
and Africans, are imbued.
What is likely is that Africa is living
now a very active transitional period; in
other words, a period in which there is
the elaboration and gestation of a culture
in the process of forming itself, something
close to what Egyptologists call the transitional
period between ancient, middle and new empires.
These phases are long and difficult, but
have very rich potentialities. This emerging
culture is at the same time inter- and multicultural,
enriched with syncretism and metissage,
particularly lively also in its dramas.
Such a rich process could not develop in
quietness and passiveness. It needs willpower,
pugnacity, imagination, and therefore sufferance
and life.
DC: I believe
that positive change will occur and that
some future generation, perhaps one coming
soon, will perceive our present conjuncture
as having been temporary and passed. Positive
change may affect the continent unevenly,
but we will know that it is coming when
we see African peoples and nations more
fully in control of their own destinies
and in a more positive, profitable and creative
relationship with the global economy.
Questo articolo si
cita: K. Pallaver, African
History and African studies: a personal
view. A tandem interview with Catherine
Coquery-Vidrovitch and Donald Crummey,
«Storicamente», 2 (2006), http://www.storicamente.org/04_comunicare/pallaver.htm
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